Doug Pagitt and John MacArthur did a bit of head-to-head on CNN on Yoga and Christians. In this blog I aim to explore the foundation below this tension and hopefully shed some light for those being swayed in either direction.
Playing Catchup
You can view their dialogue here if you haven’t already:
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Additionally, there is an excellent article on Wikipedia exploring “Yoga” which I recommend reading before exploring my comments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga) as it will give a bit of an overview of yoga.
There seems to be much continuing controversy around compatibility of Christian faith with yoga practice. Personally, I don’t want to argue for or against either MacArthur or Pagitt in this blog. I’ve never met either of them, but would like to respect both of them, and invite you, the reader, to comment with the same intention.
What is Yoga?
As explored on Wiki, Yoga is a banner term covering a number of different practices. In reacting to Christians practicing yoga many have forgotten that the Western worldview denies the spiritual and does little with reference to the origins of what it imports.
Hence, when importing yoga we’ve generally just taken the postures and breathing exercises and made use of them. We’ve de-constructed yoga, excorcised its spiritual roots, humanised its focus, and then commercialised it as another form of exercise to be consumed.
Western yoga bears as little resemblence to Eastern Yoga as what a can of tuna resembles a real tuna. Oddly enough, a number of Christians are often very superstitious of yoga because they have a little knowledge about where it comes from usually stemming from textbook references to yoga in the context of Hinduism. To some degree I would include MacArthur in this. The reactionism expressed by many has little to do with the kind of yoga Pagitt and others make use of and promote. My exploration on convergence may clear the tension up a bit.
MacArthur and Pagitt
Getting back to MacArthur and Pagitt. I agree with MacArthur in that someone who follows Christ and has committed his or her life to Him should not go and worship another god or goddess. I agree with Pagitt that someone who does follow Christ should take care of their body and this includes exercise and exercising.
Exercise includes a wide range of activities and so it matters little what prefernece people have. Whether one plays squash, runs, practices yoga, rock climbs, cycles, goes to gym, etc. is not the issue. By exercising people are getting healthier and hence stewarding their body.
What MacArthur and many other Christians need to understand is that Pagitt and company are not promoting the worship of anyone but Christ and that in borrowing exercises from other cultures they are not engaging in the worship of other gods and goddesses either.
How can I say this? Well, in the past cultures and religions were inextricably linked but that’s not the case any longer. Now we live during the tension between old cultures and worldviews and the emergence of new ones.
The Convergence of Culture and Spirituality
We are living during a period in time when the cultures and histories of people who used to be isolated are converging. A number of people live within the centre of a culture, whether African, Eastern or Western. Many, particularly westerners or the westernised within other cultures, live not only within outposts of modern culture but also in the place of cultural and historical and spiritual convergence and cross-pollination. Needless to say they are living within the liminal space between their historical point of origin and in historical contribution toward co-producing an emerging culture, a post-culture, the era of postmodernity or postcolonialism. Allow me to illustrate.
In the past every culture was separated and so, to simplify, we find Africa, the West and the East neatly contained in their boxes.

Then, the West modernised and in turn modernised much of Africa and the East. Though every culture has continued to evolve we find that modernisation, colonialism and westernisation have impacted other cultures. Hence we find pockets where the culture remains untouched (well, kind of) and pockets where the culture is blended (this is a simplification). The west has, however, not remained untouched. Hence the west is influenced by the very cultures it has influenced.
Modernisation, in general, enabled people to travel. Which in turn opened up their world. So, many got to go out to the broad world and find themselves and what worked for them. For many years people had to choose between the West along with Atheism and Christianity or the East along with Buddhism or Hinduism. A number of Christian biases still stem back to this time.

More recently, as the cultures have mutually cross-pollinated each other to such an exten that we find the emergence of new cultures, spoken of under the banner of postmodernity, which brings out complex issues like postmodernism and post-colonialism and the problem of God/-ess but also the challenge of how to prefentially integrate truth, art, medicine, practices, exercise, etc. healthily and maturely.
By this satege, people are no longer choosing between Africa, the West and the East or remaining westernised within them but moving on to co-produce a new emerging culture which is more globally connected than locally rooted.

Looking back at culture, religion and the gods & goddesses within them we recognise them distinctly. Should we explore the relationship between the gods and goddesses, the religions they manifest within, and the culture they’re set in we can recognise three distinct layers and hence we can, critically and maturely, distinguish between them. For some there can be no such distinction. For others such a distinction is not a necessity but remains perfectly valid.

So we find that cultural and religious practices may be distinguished from the divine or divinities, the gods and goddesses, wherein they find their origin.
Why? Because there is a human side, what we do and how we live and how we orientate our lives, and a divine side, the Being or beings we lend recognition to as God/-ess. And so, human religious practices are significant in as much as they connect us with a source, a power, a god or goddess. And so, we can sacralise ordinary practices (e.g. footwashing, bathing and sex) and objects (e.g. bread and wine) and even exercise (e.g. yoga) in the name of different beings/Beings/Being. But equally, we can desacralise them and import them and equally re-sacralise them should we intend to.

In conclusion
The postmodern Christian aims to integrate truth wherever s/he finds it, remain faithful to the Risen Lord, and somehow live in a complex, evolving, varied and vibrant society.
I respectfully understand MacArthur to live within an older paradigm, where East and West don’t meet. I imagine that much of his experience is certainly during the era when Christians were abandoning their western roots and faith and that he is responding out of this as well as a desire for integrity in faith. I respectfully understand Pagitt to live within a newer and emerging paradigm, where our culture as East and West converge and produce something new and I see him as responding to postmoderns who’re discovering much, including yoga and Christ, and seeking to integrate both into their life and faith. Doug Pagitt, among many, is such a Christian and is deliberately and responsibly desacralising an exercise form from another culture while enabling some he shepherds to steward their bodies. John MacArthur, among many, is the kind of Christian that seeks to actively avoid postmodernity and view it as an evil.
Where do you stand? Do you see yoga as an evil or something good? Do you see postmodernity, the era we are entering, as something to stand against or something to embrace? How do you understand being missional in this era?
Lets not forget that Jesus sends us out of our culture to other cultures and we would do well to remember that the postmodern world is an equally valid culture wherein Christ will be found and come to reign among those inhabited by His Spirit.
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Pagitt vs MacArthur – showdown time! Draw your weapons, gentlemen! Oh wait, this is an unarmed fight. Then…Assume your stances, gentlemen! Yes, Doug, you’re allowed to use the shaolin cat stance. Sorry, John, protesting that traditional Chinese kung-fu forms be banned from this contest is simply begging the question. But you’re still allowed to use your “Boxing for gentlemen” stance. And no hits below the waist, please.
MacArthur: “If it’s purely exercise and you’re a strong Christian, it probably wouldn’t have any impact on your faith.” …. “why would Christians want to borrow something from pantheism – from a false religion…? Why borrow a term which has been part of a false religion for centuries.” I like this line of argument: (a) is part of (b), (b) is obviously bad therefore (a) must be bad. *sigh* Black and white, anyone?
Pagitt: “What is good…think on these things.”
I’ve been doing Tai Chi for around 3 years, and from what I can see it’s just a form of slow exercise. Sure, there are some scary things done by Tai Chi practitioners involving energy – just not the way I’m taught! I used to think yoga was very bad, and almost warned a friend of mine against it. My vague reasoning what that it involved meditation, meditation means opening yourself up to demons and therefore don’t do it! To say that I didn’t understand it would be…accurate.
MacArthur says yoga is to focus on finding the god inside of you. And that the only way to find peace is to fill your mind with biblical truth. Yes…and…that can easily be an intellectual pursuit – what about the rest of the body? I’m sure he’d probably deny the contemplative traditions within Christianity which have to do with silence, meditative prayer and solitude.
I’m 1/2 way through your article, Tim, and will return to complete it later. I think that the Yoga vs Christians debate can be restated as: Is Yoga itself evil, or is it a tool? In other words, what is its purpose and what do you use it as? That may be the fundamental difference between MacArthur and Pagitt (who did his fair share of rambling!).
You asked, “Do you see Yoga as something evil or as something good?” I’d rephrase in 2 ways:
“Do you see cricket as something evil or as something good?” and
“Do you see martial arts as something evil or as something good?”
My answer to all 3 of the above lies in purpose – what is your end goal, are you happy with the learning process and how are you being changed along the way?
My kung fu instructor says that most people start kung fu because of the cool fight scenes they see in movies, but after a while their desire changes to something better.
Changing gears: something which is implicit in this question is dealing with other religions. MacArthur’s words are “false religion” meaning that only Christianity is true, or Christianity is the only true religion. Again, very black and white, which means “100% vs 0%” when it comes to comparing truth.
I think that’s the wrong question! I do believe Christianity is true, and that Jesus is indeed Lord. But the Kingdom of God isn’t yet the dominant reality of our world – many people simply don’t know. It’s a lot like The Lord of the Rings, after Aragorn has been crowned King. Merry and Pippin return to Hobbiton – which is within the realm of the king’s sovereignty, but the hobbits just don’t know it yet.
So back to the “false religion” thing – other major world religions (like Judaism and Islam) have as their central premise: love God and love others. See http://www.acommonword.com where prominent Muslim theologians have said exactly this, and said that this is the common ground on which we should work together. Logically, anything which shares this commonality with Christianity cannot be 100% false.
Roger,
Thanks for the posts and for being open about your own journey from a blanket rejection of yoga to a more critical acceptance.
I’m quite aware of how we Christians are fond of black n white approaches to everything. I think its fair to distinguish between human input into or toward something and the divine/spiritual source’s input toward something.
The whole subject of “energy” takes on a new light here with a move toward “sources of energy” and how the human being along with reality itself consists of both matter/molecules and spirit/energy while pure energy beings, like angels, gods and demons, also exist (the one with the capital “G”, i.e. God/ess, is a whole nother category on Her own).
I’m also reminded of how all religions, in one way or another, deal with the human condition and predicament, i.e. what the bible references as “sin” and its expressions. Hence, we can attain a “measure of salvation” through all worldviews that deal with the human predicament and condition.
As the ultimate root lies in disconnection from Godself, and we can only attain that connection through Christ, ultimate salvation is only guaranteed by receiving the deposit of the Spirit as the promise of what is to come.
Thanks for raising these issues. If memory serves me correctly, Christianity Today had a positive article on a Christian form of yoga within the last few years that raised the ire of conservative evangelicals. Readers might also be interested in an exploratory paper related to this as using a contextualized form of yoga by Christians to reach Indians. The paper is a work in progress and was part of the Lausanne issue group on postmodern and New Age spiritualities that met in Thailand in 2004. Look at the current website at http://www.lop45.org and then click the link with the 2004 papers.
Rather than stating one particular view over another, it might be helpful for us to think more broadly and with cross-cultural missiology in mind. Missiology can be helpful in helping us sort out various cultural issues.
Sometimes evangelicals identify given practcies within culture as purely religious and therefore off limits, without considering whether a given practice can be recontextualized and problematic religious issues removed and new meanings imbued within the form. Thus, it is not necessarily an either/or, all or nothing issue, but a complex and complicated issue much like those that missionaries overseas have had to wrestle with for years as new converts come to Christ. The challenge is avoiding syncretism, and yet not being so fearful of syncretism and unaware of our western cultural blindspots that we forbid certain religious practices or impose Western Christian practices in the name of our allegedly pure theology and praxis.
My two cents.
Tim
Excellant post. I see you played the objective mediation role, so I will play the impassioned detractor: I totally reject McArthurs xenophobic, ignorent, arrogent stance against what he thinks of as yoga. He is simply out of touch.
When my knees give in I am probably going to take up yoga. I have every confidence of G-ds omnipresence in this practice. I also trust my own judgement to discern what dangers might lurk there. There are strengths in an eastern worldview which I will critically adopt if I perceive them to be helpful and worshipful.
Your thoughts about responsible sacrelising and de-sacrelising are very useful. I do think we make sacred what we deem sacred, more than what is told us is sacred. This seems to be Pauls view in Romans.
Whereas it might be appropriate to accept and submit to a tradition or an authority wholeheartedly at some point in our spiritual walk, we are caled to move from being the “Children of God” to the “Adults of God”. This is not to diminish the injunction to “become as little children” at all, but just to say that we need to take responsibility in the creation of meaning. McArthur wants everyone to be a Child and he wants to be their Father who knows best.
The diagrams (which I can now see) are very interesting. The last one is quite hard work tho – I don’t get why Religion (2nd row up) is where it is?
Hi Nic,
Thanks for your post. It seems that blogging and drawing at 3am has got the best of me. I meant to remove the religion block or modify the drawing to link past the emerging culture to the divine. I guess I’ll “go back to the drawing board” or so to speak.
Ok, its 9.45am and I’m one Red Bull up on the world and I’ve successfully corrected the last graphic
Another article worth reading on Wikipedia is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_as_exercise.
Hi Tim. I think you’ve outlined the general issues concerning the Christian mistrust of yoga (and other Eastern teachings) rather well. Many people are taught to mistrust things that they don’t understand, and unfortunately we are not often encouraged to understand things before writing them off as wrong. Thanks for your attempts to outline an important issue.
Thanks for the input Gaelin.
I really find it annoying how so many Christians uncritically reject everything that doesn’t fit within their inherited western paradigm and subsequently limited Christian paradigms.
There is so much truth and wisdom for living in Africa and the East. I so wish we could capture much more of it.
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