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reflections on embracing the feminine in God: does God have a penis?

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I was recently asked to comment on my reference to God/-ess when writing and my fragmented attempts to speak of the divine in the feminine.

The beginning of 2007 I decided to speak of the “God” using feminine references – “She” and “Goddess” – rather than the masculine as is usual – “He” and “God”. I did so for the most part to see what came up for myself and secondarily to see what would come up as I did so.

This post includes some of reflections on embracing the feminine in God and includes some of my reasoning personal experiences having done so.

Textual and Contextual Engagement 

The biblical Hebrew reference in Genesis “God created man in his image: male and female he created them” speaks of men and women, male and female, individually and together as the image of God. The language here, though masculine, is inclusive. In my English context in South Africa the same usage of “he” is not inclusive.

The Old Testament and New Testament both make radical shifts from their cultural vantage point toward progressive validation of women and the feminine.

In retrospect those same OT and NT texts may sound sexist, but that’s just due to not valuing or understanding the context into which they speak. Hence, texts (e.g. Paul’s teachings) used to liberate women in his context have been used by some to suppress women in our context. This is akin to how Scripture was used in Apartheid era to support racism and racial suppression.

Additionally, our worship and language usage in churches and Christian environments is male-centred and male-focused.

In our civilisation we’re a bit more progressive (at least within the last 50 odd years or so) than both the OT and NT on this issue. Suffice it to say that the NT points toward the future kingdom as having a total breakdown of divisions – neither rich nor poor, neither slave nor master, neither male nor female, neither heaven nor earth. We get to bring and evidence that future in our present. I’d like to reflect that more and more in my life.

Oddly, despite the progressivenes of the OT and NT I find that a number of Churches – institutional and otherwise – relegate the feminine and the female to a secondary or subservient position. In many context women aren’t even allowed to preach. In some contexts women cannot be leaders or elders at all while in others only as attachments to their husbands. For me this aspect is not the one I’m primarily concerned with though it is of concern. Rather, there are theological implications that affect our relationship with Goddess.

Theological Implications

Theologically we teach that God includes masculine and feminine. This is logical as male and female are both indivdiually and collectively imago dei or the image of God. However, practically we are uncomfortable with references to God in the feminine or as female but are quite happy with masculine and male references.

Why?

The implication of this is lies in placing a higher value on the masculine and male in Godself and hence devaluing the feminine and female in Her. To truly honour Godself we must understand and value the feminine in her.

We’re comfortable with masculine references to “God” and hence lean toward being comfortable with validating the masculine and male in ourselves and our context. If we valued these in Godself surely we could value these in ourselves more?

I guess, as I’m commenting theologically here, I don’t buy into the notion of an androgenous God/-ess just as I don’t buy into the notion that Goddess is vague, impersonal and essentially unknowable. I believe that Goddess is more fully masculine and more fully feminine than we are. After all, we reflect the masculine and feminine in Godself.

Personal Experiences

I’ve found that a number of people feel that I’m somehow denigrating God by referring to “Her” and “Goddess” and that this is quite an emotive topic for many. This in itself means that there are issues worth exploring and uncovering as I hear a descripency between theological statements arising from Scripture, which should inform us and shape our praxis, and our personal feelings.

Additionally, I’ve literally seen a woman’s jaw drop when I referenced God in the feminine during a sermon. On another occassion I was asked to not do so again when preaching in quite a progressive church with strong postmodernist leanings which is actually quite inclusive of women. Ironically, I’ve found the most vehement opponents of my practice this year (and in previous years when I made small ventures into this territory) to be women themselves rather than men. One would think it would be the other way around. I’d love to hear some insights into this if anyone else has encountered the same.

 On a more personal note, I’ve found it hard in some contexts and quite hard in others to be faithful to my commitment. When speaking in Christian contexts I find I lean toward the masculine. This is largely due to all the tension and stress that arises from speaking in the feminine. When speaking in non-Christian contexts I find it easier to lean toward the feminine. This is equally due in small part to the tension around speaking in the masculine with reference to Godself. This is largely due to how doing so leads toward greater openness in dialogue and leanings toward experiencing Godself through doing so.

After a year of doing so I think I have to pursue the commitment a bit longer, perhaps another 6 or even 12 months in order to break through toward a new and deeper understanding of and relationship with Godself.

Categories: feminism, goddess
  1. November 12, 2007 at 8:58 am | #1

    Tim
    Your venture has great value. It is a brave act of faith to commit to such a course of action. It is a witness to
    both G-ds character and to a journey into truth.

    As we deconstruct our cultural norms with the aim of establishing the Kingdom/Queendom of G-d, we have to take on the issue of what words we use. We have to either discard or reimagine that which is out of line.

    To talk of Goddess (some are happy saying “Godde”) is to step into the territory of paganism, and this makes many orthodox believers uncomfortable. Even the word Queen has been wrested by the Gay community (who are past masters at linguistic activism).

    One query though, regards the question “Does God have a penis?” – are you asking whether G-d can be ascribed human attributes, or whether G-d is male? I guess even the most prudish amongst us have to admit that (as far as we might reaonably assume), Jesus, being human, did in fact have a penis.

    But isn’t your line of enquiry more along the lines of whether G-d has breasts?

    And also what I want to know is, what did Jesus do with his penis: was he celibate? I know it sounds iconoclastic and irreverant to talk like this, but these are questions that we need to consider, and I for one ask them in all seriousness.

    To end, 1 Peter 3:14-16 (NIV) offers this:
    But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be
    frightened.” But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord.

    Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

  2. November 12, 2007 at 6:28 pm | #2

    This topic, I surpose, will inevetably lead to a Creation vs Evolution debate. If we are created in HIS image…..

    Let’s face it, God is Spirit, Love, Light ect….

    But the process of desteriotyping God is a worthy excercise. We need more of this. The language used in expressing our unstanding of what is God, I think, is somewhat limited.

  3. November 13, 2007 at 3:42 pm | #3

    How do you think this will lead to the Creation vs. Evolution debate? I guess one way is posing the suggestion itself and getting a response… but besides that?

    I’m all for moving away from stereotypes but believe there’s a further challenge in maintaining concrete references arising from experience and so not moving toward pure abstractions.

  4. November 13, 2007 at 3:53 pm | #4

    Nic,

    Jesus as incarnate is fully human and did in fact have a penis. I’ve found that many forget that as the Risen Lord Jesus continues as fully human. However, just as other limitations are transcended there is also the indication that male and female is transcended in His current post-resurrection body.

    I continue to speak of Jesus in the masculine in part due to His historical roots. I’ll have to chew on that one more and see whether I should move toward S/He when referring to Him.

    A number of people have asked whether I’m now into “Goddess worship” as opposed to “God worship”. This implies that the neo-pagans conceive our picture of God/-ess as male while Christians perceive the reference to God/-ess in the feminine as heresy. I think there’s certainly more to be chewed through here to.

  5. November 13, 2007 at 9:18 pm | #5

    Maybe I’m still asking more rudimentary questions on the nature of God and not ready for this discusion.

  6. November 14, 2007 at 7:07 am | #6

    FEOTU, what do you understand the nature of God/-ess to be?

  7. November 14, 2007 at 7:54 am | #7

    Tim,
    After spending all my youth involved in “church culture” with all it’s presumptions on the nature of God, I eventually dropped out about 10 years ago. Since then I have had most of my “Christianity” cleansed from my way of thinking. I’m somewhat of a blank page and trying to enter a space that combines several elements. This space is God and at the same time empty. I have only begun to explore this concept. However, Christ does create a problem for me as I love this God/man and his teachings….

    Please have a look at my latest posting at http://fakeexpressionsoftheunkown.wordpress.com/ , the nature of God is the central theme of the painting I posted and I have now posted a brief note on this work. Unfortunately, more questions than answers.

  8. November 14, 2007 at 8:00 am | #8

    I’m currently reading Matthew Fox’s One River Many Wells, and there are chapters dedicated to the Feminine Face of G-d, both in world religion as well as Judeo-Christianity.

    His take is that Jesus is an “incarnation” of Sophia, or Wisdom, being a feminine aspect of G-d. So metaphorically (non-historically) he sees Jesus as embodying the femine divine.

    The first 2 of his 95 theses are this :

    1. God is both Mother and Father.
    2. At this time in history, God is more Mother than Father because the feminine is most missing and it is important to bring gender balance back.

    For the rest, see his blog.

  9. November 14, 2007 at 8:38 am | #9

    Hi FEOTU,

    Perhaps the substance and meaning of God/-ess can be grounded in who or what you actually experience when you speak about spiritual encounter or experience?

  10. November 14, 2007 at 8:39 am | #10

    Hi Nic,

    I like the sound of that and will have to read those chapters when I’m done with the list I’m currently reading.

    There’s definately some implications here in terms of emerging church stuff. What thinks you?

  11. November 14, 2007 at 8:54 am | #11

    feotu,

    I’ve briefly commented on your blog. I like your openness and your vulnerability in writing. Hopefully I can reflect some of your humility as I explore my own concepts.

  12. November 14, 2007 at 12:52 pm | #12

    Tim
    I think the key question is, where in our midst, is the incarnation of the Feminine Divine? We don’t seem to have too many Donna Darkwolf Vos types around.

    There was a discussion on EA concerning the Emergent Church being a “White Male” phenomonen. I chose to semi ignore that, because I just don’t buy it. The ecclesia I visualise is healthy with diminishing male domination. But can’t get the women interested, somehow.

    What is it about the Emergent message that predominantly reaches men?

    Girls? Girls? Hellooo?

  13. November 14, 2007 at 2:23 pm | #13

    Tim,
    Please forgive me for throwing another spanner, but here goes…

    Nic’s comment above re: “white Male” phenomonen

    Check out this post: http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/02/11/why-im-post-emergent/

    We now have a race issue and think the guy has a point.

  14. November 14, 2007 at 3:21 pm | #14

    Absolutely. I think the issues like gender, race and environment will receive much attention as they’re of concern to Spirit.

    Arguably we’re also just a bunch of white males but I believe the conversation ought to include more women and has every potential to but it would seem many women are yet to transition over the bridge of frustration to the land of engagement.

  15. jon sauls
    December 3, 2007 at 6:03 am | #15

    Hey Tim cool exercise..like the idea of God with a penis lol…on the serious side(theology) old roomy,we know there is a point to be made regarding the character of God in terms of attributes.A lot can be learned also assumed from both creation accounts yet i do think in terms of the mission and purpose laid down for the NT church it is helpful to make,like you doing now,a link between God portrayed historically and what will advance(futuristicly) the kingdom/NT church…Creation accounts talk about God creating male female in His image i believe this is more than just mere spiritual,emotional likeness it also includes our anatomy…

  16. December 8, 2007 at 1:00 am | #16

    Really interesting post. I always feel somewhat uncomfortable saying God because of the missing feminine. But I also feel discomfort even with the combined term of God/Goddess, Godde, or God/-ess because these are such limiting terms. I always find myself going back to Plotinus and wanting to say The One or Being or The Intelligence. But of course these terms fall short too and they don’t have the same charge when you talk to people…

  17. December 9, 2007 at 5:04 pm | #17

    Hey Tim,

    Fascinating stuff.. Your post has been CPP’d!

  18. December 10, 2007 at 12:50 am | #18

    Hi Shira79,

    I’m not sure what CPP’d means…? But thanks :-)

  19. December 10, 2007 at 12:57 am | #19

    Hey Jon,

    I agree that as the image of God/-ess our anatomy is included. Our language often focuses on the masculine and the feminine ends up being a sideshow (see http://www.emergentafrica.com/blog/2007/11/14/divine-feminine). I’m finding an increased experience of God/-ess as well as changing the range of experiences and style of worship I’m open to through having done so. The exploration of Nia and movement as worship is part of this.

    Painter of Blue,

    I equally feel frustrated at trying to capture such a magnificent Person in language. Ultimately our expression is limited. I’d love to move beyond my discomfort in referring to God/-ess in the feminine. Remedially I may need to focus on the feminine when writing but for now am limiting the exercise to my speaking.

    I’m challenged to move beyond abstract generalisations about God/-ess who is essentially personal and self-revealing in our language and in the world around us.

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